because these coal fired power plants many of them in the cities, like the once shut down in chicago are killing kids every day and we just need to be w honest about that. >> when you look at people of color and low-income communities are near these sources of pollution but you look at how consumers fare, oil prices will get more and more expensive even as exxonmobil predicts we're going net exporter of crude oil by 2025, it won't lower the price for working families. the longer that we stay tied to fossil fuels the more enslaved we are to fossil fuel, higher prices and instability that comes with fossil fuel. >> but there's arguments that the kind of ration enamel arguments you noted before as the way we were leading on this issue for 30 years and you are saying it's more about power than arguments. it's more about how many people you can deliver on the mall, how many calls you can get into a senator's office. >> we won the scientific argument 20 years ago. i wrote the first book about all this in 1989, okay. but we also have to match the incredible financial power and that's what m